This
article was Chapter XXI in The AIDS War
(1993); it was first published in the New York
Native, 30 July 1990.
Interview
with Ben Gardiner [1]
by John Lauritsen
When I was in San Francisco last month I interviewed Ben Gardiner,
founder and system operator of the AIDS Information Bulletin Board. Ben
is a long-time San Francisco resident, who has been active in the fight
against AIDS since the very beginning. Born and raised in Maine, and
graduated from Harvard, he still speaks with a New England accent, soft
and precise. He is an individualist of the old school who has almost
single-handedly created and maintained a valuable resource, which
deserves to be more widely known.
The AIDS Information Bulletin Board is a
computer or electronic bulletin board. These are known as BBSs, the
initials standing for Bulletin Board System. A BBS allows people with
computers to communicate with others, and to retrieve information from
computer databases.
The unique usefulness of the AIDS
Information Bulletin Board lies in an apparent paradox: We suffer from
both too much and too little information about AIDS. One the one hand,
we suffer from information overload — we are constantly
bombarded with “news” about AIDS, until we become
thoroughly sick of the topic. Much of this “news”
is nothing more than propaganda, rumors, fantasies, delusions,
misinformation, disinformation — the endless reiteration of
the same old things, over and over. On the other hand, much of the real
information that we need either does not exist, or is hard to find. For
example, readers of America's premier newspaper, The New York
Times, would be unaware that a number of important
scientists are now convinced that HIV could not possibly be the cause
of AIDS.
The AIDS Information Bulletin Board not
only contains a vast amount of valuable and hard-to-find information,
but organizes it in such a way that it can easily be retrieved.
Electronic storage of data is also much more economical than hard copy
— just a few floppy disks can hold the equivalent of
thousands of pages of printed documents.
About Modems
A few words about modems may be in order
here, though I'm no expert on the topic, and readers who are already
knowledgeable might just as well skip to the interview with Ben
Gardiner below.
In order to communicate with BBSs you
need a computer, a modem, communications software, and a telephone
line. Prices of modems have plunged in the last year or so. You can get
a 2400 baud modem for as little as $70, including the communications
software. ProComm 4.2 came bundled with my modem, and it works just
fine. [2]
Don't even consider a modem slower than
2400 baud. The few extra dollars in cost are quickly paid back in
savings on long-distance telephone charges and bills from those BBSs
that charge by the minute. If necessary, a 2400 baud modem can also
retrieve data at the slower speeds of 1200 or 300 baud.
There are two kinds of modems: internal
or external. An internal modem mounts in one of the expansion slots
inside the computer. I prefer internal modems, which I have in both my
desk-top computer and my laptop, because they become part of the
computer and don't add to the clutter on the work table. Internal
modems are also cheaper. The argument for an external modem is that it
requires no installation, but just plugs into a serial port in the back
of the computer. (Actually, the installation of an internal modem is
quite simple, although some people are afraid of opening the case of
their computer.) Also, an external modem can be moved from one computer
to another, if this is required.
With a modem you can tap into vast
databases of every description. Research can be done in minutes which
would take days or weeks if you had to trek around to research
libraries or rely upon written correspondence. In addition, such
services as CompuServe's Executive News Service enable you to read news
dispatches from the major news services before this news is reported in
the newspapers. (And sometimes such dispatches are never reported at
all, if they are politically incorrect.)
Some people use modems to find others
who share their own special interests. For them, modems are a way to
communicate with others, to make friends, not just to retrieve
information.
Interview
John Lauritsen:
First of all, Ben, could you tell me when you founded the AIDS
Information Bulletin Board, and what your objectives were?
Ben Gardiner:
It started in 1985. The first uninterrupted operations began on July
25, 1985. I was part of Mobilization Against AIDS, I was one of the
founders of that, and among the many ways we were trying to reach
people with information about AIDS was hard copy. There was DARE, there
was John James' Newsletter — and as I had computers, I
thought let's start a bulletin board, and that's what I did. I got a
free program from Tim McCrary, and I got the FOG [First Osborne Group]
to give me an interface, and I started it on a tiny Osborne I, serial
number 666, the Devil's own number. And it ran for two years on that
tiny little machine.
After this I built it up. I discovered
first that people wanted stuff out of the newspapers. Earl Galvin gave
me a lot. There were no newsletters at that point, there was very
little information in the newspapers, so there was a lot of hearsay and
gossip. People put messages on there — “Do we know
about this, do we know about that?” — and the
answer was usually that we don't know.
The year before [1984] Margaret Heckler had come out with her drunken
episode when she announced the discovery of the virus that killed
people with AIDS, and we were still suffering from shock from that
horrifying event. Later in 1985 there was a dispute as to whether Gallo
had discovered it or Montagnier, and so on and so forth. All these
rather irrelevant actions were overlaid on the real need for
information. People were dying all over the place. One person died
right in this house, May 31st 1985, shortly before I got the bulletin
board going. And so it was a time of great upset, of great uncertainty.
And as I said, I ran it for two years on this tiny machine.
Then I needed a holiday very much, so I
left town and was gone for two weeks, and when I got back the computer
was burned up, not functioning. And I had lost my best client. Again,
that was a time of great upset. By then I had found another machine,
which had been donated to me by Altos Computers, a very generous old
corporation making computers down in Palos Altos, San Jose. But I
hadn't found anybody to help me install the machine, so it was sitting
here, doing nothing. Most of that summer of 1987 the machine was down
— the one that had burned up was not functioning and the new
one wasn't in operation.
Then I ran across Mark Pearson, who the
year before had donated a terminal to me. Mark had been dying when he
gave me the terminal in 1986. In 1987 he seemed better, and I said,
“Mark, what happened to you? I thought you were getting ready
to die?” And he said, “Well I was, until I took
this stuff called AZT.” And he agreed to help me.
He installed the machine, and I had a
program that I'd got from Ohio. Mark and I put it on the machine
— it was the only program that would run on the Xenix system
— and we discovered that it was about the most hostile
program that we could imagine — user hostile, I mean this
thing was barnacles and porcupines. It was incredibly difficult to use.
Mark looked at the source code, and decided it would be better to write
an entirely new program, rather than try to salvage theirs. So in a few
months he did that. And in January 1988 we started up with his new
program, which is much better — very friendly —
people can call and get right to the point.
Since then it's been my problem to
operate the machine, and also edit the material. Because of its start,
when we didn't know anything, it has been necessary to re-organize the
material two or three times, each of which has been drastic surgery.
Rather painful. It means that nobody could find anything for awhile.
For one thing, I did not expect that the Open Forum would be twice as
popular as everything else put together. That was a real surprise. I
thought they wanted to read published articles, newsletters, and
statistics. I found they wanted to read each other's messages much more
— that's the Open Forum area. So I have set the thing up on
the basis that the Open Forum is now the most popular thing, and all
the other stuff is available. I've made an index and put in a thesaurus
and an acronym translator, and various other little features.
Mark continued to polish the program,
but unfortunately, as with most people who take AZT, his time ran out.
He ended up in the hospital with a permanent plug in his chest. And one
night he decided it was enough. He told his attendants,
“Tonight at midnight, pull out the plugs”, in
effect terminating his own life. By then he had set up the program so
that with what I had learned I could continue to polish it and operate
it without his assistance. It was very difficult at first. I did learn
more, though, and this is now over two years later — he died
in 1988.
And I've had a great deal of help from a
few people. It's difficult to get the kind of help I need —
high-priced and extremely skilled people. It's not like a personal
computer, where you can get help down at the corner store. Xenix is
complex. I need Xenix because it can do multi-tasking, and it's capable
of tremendous expansion, which has proved necessary. My work has been
to learn to do things I already know how to do in other languages
— to learn how to do them using the Xenix system. I've now
got it almost completely automated. It makes its reports —
usage statistics, and things like that which are good for fund-raising
purposes and for publicity. But the operation of the machine
— I don't have to do anything about that — it
functions pretty well by itself. Altos Computer Company supports the
machine, and gives me help, technical assistance when I need it.
JL: Could you tell
me more about the features of the Bulletin Board, for example, how many
responses there've been in the Reader's Forum, and also the different
things offered in the way of statistics, periodicals, and so on? Also,
the range of dialogue, the different viewpoints?
BG: That's a
whole lot of questions piled together, and I don't remember them all.
But I'll take the ones I remember first. What does the AIDS Information
Bulletin Board offer? It has one very large section called Reading
Matter. There are six years of Wall Street Journal articles there,
which have been trimmed to eliminate the irrelevant material. This is a
donation from the Dow Jones Company, on the basis that the whole system
is free. Then there are articles from various people, including your
own work and Peter Duesberg's — let's see, who else?
— John James' writings from the very beginning, before he
published them in the form of a newsletter. I have the GMHC (Gay Men's
Health Crisis) Treatment Issues from New York. And I have Dr. Dodell's
newsletter, which comes over INTERNET — one of my users puts
that on, and I move it to a display position.
I have statistics on AIDS. I used to
overwrite them — I would replace each old report with the new
report. Now I add them on, because I have much more storage space. I
would say that there are now about a year of them on display. It gives
people a chance to see the changes in statistics, not just the current
ones. And that's important now that the pandemic appears to be topped
out.
And besides that I have certain
permanent documents that have proved to be useful — for
instance, I have blank forms for wills, power of attorney, legal
documents like that, that many people with AIDS want, though they can't
afford a lawyer — and they don't need to pay a lawyer. Those
are prominently displayed. Also displayed are studies that
are available to people with AIDS — studies they can apply
for, but often don't know about. I get reports from the Pharmaceutical
Manufacturers Association about drug studies, about what is the state
of research on a particular drug. There are about a hundred of such
studies now in progress. They send me that information every three
months, and I update it. I also have AmFAR's Directory, which
unfortunately is much too long for the whole thing to be typed out.
What I have is a summary of it. They haven't sent me an update for
about a year now — I guess I'm on their blacklist.
In addition I have news —
occasionally I cover conferences, but I don't consider myself primarily
a reporter. I'm an editor, and I rely on other people's reports
as much as possible. Because of copyright restrictions I have
often referred to a particular publication, rather than trying to
report the content of it. I let people get it themselves. Most of my
callers don't want to go that deeply into subjects. They want to know
what's going on, but they don't want all the detail from, say the New
England Journal of Medicine. They don't want to read the article, they
just want to know what's in it. And that's the basis of my work as an
editor — to convey that information and give them the proper
reference.
In addition to that, I have telephone
and address references for as many as possible locations nearby where
they can get more information or treatment, all over the United States.
I get calls from all over the world. The ones that bother me are the
ones that call from rural areas in the United States, where there may
be nothing for fifty miles, and they don't know anybody else who has
any problems with AIDS. And yet in almost every state there is
something, so I try to connect those up.
Another thing I do is to carry a
calendar of AIDS conferences. I get that from a source in the East, and
it's extremely detailed and very thorough. It shows a conference about
every week somewhere in the world. And that's the kind of stuff that
I've got.
JL: In general, what
approach does the Bulletin Board take towards controversial issues?
There seem to be many viewpoints expressed, including those of Peter
Duesberg and me, who say that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, as well as
the viewpoints of others who say that it is.
BG: I use
two identities for that. As editor I am impartial. I will print things
that I think are repugnant. I will not publish things that are
indisputably incorrect. But where there's a question, where there's a
dispute, I'll publish both sides. And I go to a little trouble
sometimes to get the opposing side on some issues. However, I take my
own identity, which is Ben Gardiner, and I will argue on one side or
the other on any question. I reserve that right, to have an opinion. A
couple of my users object to this. They say, “You're the
system operator, who is known as SysOp, but we know perfectly well
you're Ben Gardiner, so why don't you just say so?” And my
answer to that is that when I sign as SysOp, that's the editor, but
when I sign as Ben Gardiner, I have the right to a personal opinion.
And that's the way I separate those things.
JL: Finally, could
you tell our readers what they should do to contact the Bulletin Board
— the numbers, the settings they should use on their modems,
and so on.?
BG: The
telephoning is very simple. You telephone (415) 626-1246. That's the
primary line number. It's actually several telephone lines, but you
don't need to know that. And you will be instructed what to do when you
make contact. The settings are standard: 8 bits, 1 stop bit, and no
parity. These settings are standard for almost all bulletin boards.
Now, if you want to download, you need a special kind of program that's
called Modem 7. But you can also download from screen: if your modem
program has a feature to download from screen, you can take anything
you want from the Bulletin Board. Republishing it is another matter.
Some of the stuff is copyrighted. Some of the copyrights give
permission to reprint, and some do not. I ask people to respect the
copyright restrictions. Dow Jones, for instance — they sell
that service someplace else, and it is not permissible to republish
that material. But most of the rest of it — people have
already granted permission to reprint, as long as you're not making
money off of it.
Afterword
- JL
Unlike most BBSs with large data databases, the AIDS Information
Bulletin Board does not charge for its services. The only expenses in
using it come from telephone tolls to San Francisco. Being free, the
AIDS Information Bulletin Board is dependent upon contributions. The
address is: AIDS Information Bulletin Board, 159A Noe Street, San
Francisco, CA 94114. The BBS telephone number is (415) 626-1246. (Now that Ben is dead, the address and number are no longer valid.)
NOTES
1. This article was published in the New York
Native, 30 July 1990, and was reprinted as Chapter XXI in
The AIDS War (1993). The AIDS War is still in print — for descriptions of this and other Pagan Press books click here.
2. The original footnote: “As of late 1992, a 2400 baud modem
can be bought for as little as $50. A modem that can also send and
receive faxes is about $100.” Now in 2010, with DSL
and cable broadband connections, a 2400 baud modem would be intolerably
slow. In retrospect, the old Bulletin Board Systems (BBSs), which
consisted of words and numbers, seem almost quaint. They have been
supplanted by broadband-greedy websites that are heavy on graphics,
videos, and audio, not to mention advertising.